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 Post subject: Re: A Little About JBL
PostPosted: September 13th, 2025, 11:25 am 
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I was referring to using digital processing, a DAC, and separate amplifiers versus one amplifier channel and a passive crossover, for the same speaker drivers and enclosure. I wish there was a reasonable way to do an A verses B test for a speaker system by switching between a passive and active configuration quickly for the same speakers. The only speakers I know of where there are active and passive versions of the same speakers are some of the Klipsch Heritage models (analog active crossover). I really wish Genelec would come to Washington Audio Fest and demo some of their SAM speakers -

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 Post subject: Re: A Little About JBL
PostPosted: September 13th, 2025, 11:50 am 
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I think DSP is perfect for subwoofers only, anywhere else in the system and you get noise and distortion. Nothing beats a well-designed and sorted passive xover.
Why would anyone put all that crap between you and the music is beyond me.
Forget about the bits and bytes and listen to the music. Go to a live musical event and listen to what real music sounds like then go listen to your system and compare.
Numbers mean absolutely nothing, listen with your heart and soul not your brain and get off the equipment go around circus and chaos.

If -- and I mean IF -- high-end (aka. uber-expensive) speaker manufacturers could produce the same product that served the music deserving the high $$$ using electronic crossovers and discrete amplifiers for each driver they would.

But they don't. WHY? All of the extra electronics to serve the speaker's needs goes a long way to corrupt the critical path. Any system that I have auditioned utilizing electronic crossovers (the guilty know who they are) had an "electronic" quality to the playback that was "shouty" with a hard-edged quality that was not musical.

Paul was totally correct about attending live events -- especially live events without sound reinforcement. Anyone on this blog with the DIY chops that compares their efforts with other playback systems is on a "fools errand."

This game is all about creating the best possible facsimile of live music in the home (or man-cave). When you are "there" it is as if you are listening to the direct-feed from the mixing desk and not listening through a couple of generations of magnetic tape and the cutter amplifiers. Even direct-to-disk recordings can sound flat and hard through an electronic crossover based system.

The best digital playback sources are easily compromised the same way. That medium is getting better as the years move along -- and not hearing what is now possible with digital playback sources is sad and prejudiced.

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 Post subject: Re: A Little About JBL
PostPosted: September 13th, 2025, 2:04 pm 
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Dealing with prejudice like what Paul shows about DSP is basically a cultural problem. There are many folks out there who are adverse to change so they find excuses to trash new things. The idea that DSP adds noise and distortion is totally wrong with good quality equipment. I am saying that as a result of many years of experience with not so good DSP and excellent DSP like the Danville Signal dspNexus 2/8. And, I often go to live, unamplified music like local concerts in the area as well as the Philadelphia Orchestra who will be having what will probably be a block buster of a performance of Mahler's Second in March.

I have had many people come to listen to my system that is optimized with DSP and there are two common threads. The people are a mix of audiophiles from both the NJ and Philadelphia audio societies, people not involved in HiFi but listen to a lot of live music, musicians, and lay persons. The first thread is that they all say it is the first time they have ever heard the performers right in the room. The second is that they have heard the particular music being played many times in there life but they are hearing things from the recording including nuances by the musicians that they had never heard anywhere before.

So before you make incomplete assumptions about DSP and musical quality, I invite you to come here for a listen. You will be surprised.

As to Walt's question as to why more audiophile speakers do not use active crossovers and DSP, part of the reason is that same culture that rejects change and also the need of many audiophiles to constantly try new tweaks or they feel unfulfilled. Also, they would get absolutely slammed by manufacturers of add on components that would then be at risk. A quick search did show some that are embracing DSP such as Dutch&Dutch, Dyanaudio, Legacy, and Martin Logan. As the old, unmovable audiophiles disappear from the scene, I will bet that more active speakers with DSP will appear. The audible advantages are too great to ignore.

At the end of the day it is your prerogative to take whatever path you want because it is your hobby. But, you don't need to do that by sticking your head in the sand or trashing other, well founded alternatives.


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